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I sometimes get e-mail from my younger readers, telling me how they have a hard time finding people who really understand them or have the same interests. I totally get this because I often felt the same way in high school. And I tell these readers what I learned: wait until college. There are so many people with so many interests there that you'll eventually connect. It happened to me. I found awesome people who were totally into the stuff I was--with one exception. I've never ever met anyone who shares one of my hobbies/guilty pleasures: names.

I love names. I'm a name geek. I love studying the meanings of names, their origins, their trends, whatever. When I was in 4th grade, I talked my mom into getting me a baby name book so that I could read it. Bringing this home caused my aunt to cast a wary eye on my mother, wondering if perhaps there was another little Mead on the way. That's the problem with this hobby. You start talking names, and people get suspicious. Nope. I just think the science of names is cool, and I can't ever start writing a new book until I have all the characters named. And the main characters have to be named just right. The name has to feel good or the character won't become real to me.

Anyway, I'm not sure where this love of name science came from. Maybe it's inevitable when you're named Richelle and spend your life answering to Michelle and Rachel. Maybe it comes from listening to my mom saying that all names must be evaluated on whether they could belong to a president or a prostitute. (Sound advice). Regardless, I'm addicted, and I know all the trends of what's in and out right now and what name comes from what Greek root. And for years, I have been alone with this hobby, a freak in my love of etymology.

Not any longer.

It turns out there are tons of people out there just like me. Where are they? Why, the only place with more varied interests than college: the internet. There are blogs out there filled with individuals who, like me, are intrigued by the popularity of names rhyming with -aden, who get excited when Social Security publishes last year's naming data, and how movies (hmm...Trinity became popular in 2000) inspire trends.

Finally, I have a place I belong, and here's what really gets people like us excited.

Name Voyager


This Java masterpiece with a fun interface creates graphs that show you the rise and fall of assorted names since the 1880s. It gives you a visual aid as well as numbers on millions of babies named. Seeing that gives you a big understanding not only of the trends but what causes them. 'Britney' was doing very well for a while. But not so much in recent years. 'Ava' shot off the charts right after Reese Witherspoon named her daughter that in 1999. You can also tell if your name is fading or on the cutting edge...or if, um, it's just not on the charts. This site is addictive, and once you look at it, you'll want to enter your own name and that of everyone you know.


Nymbler


Nymbler uses its data to generate lists of names it thinks you'll like, based on names you already like. You get to enter up to six, and then it starts making the lists. I've found its accuracy with me to be about 50/50. As you can see from above, I'm apparently destined to have a character named 'Deon' at some point. I'm already picturing a sullen blond Strigoi...

Anyway, there you have it, a little-known interest of mine. These two sites each have blogs affiliated with them, chock-full of articles with awesome and bizarre naming topics. These sites mostly deal with trends and sounds, but if you're into meanings or other data, there's the aptly named BabyNamer, which lists meanings and origins, as well as drawbacks (fact: Daisy rhymes with crazy). Name Nerds keeps lists with bizarre themes, like names invented by the Soviet Union and names perfect for Goth babies.

For any prospective parents out there, though, I want to remind you that no matter what these websites say, my mom's test will always prove the most accurate: president or prostitute? Ask yourself that before you sign the birth certificate.

Got names stories? Cautionary tales? Love or hate yours? Post 'em 'cos I want to hear 'em!

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[info]stacia_kane wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 10:38 am (UTC)
Ah, yes. My name is Stacey. You can spell it Stacey, Stacy, or Stacey; I'm used to all three and at one point had all three versions on various forms of ID. I also answer to Tracey and Stephanie both. I gave up trying to correct people when I was 12 or 13. Sigh.

I assume you've seen this site?

http://www.notwithoutmyhandbag.com/babynames/

It's one of my favorites ever. :-)
[info]tmthomas wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)
My sister is Tracy, no "e" and maybe three people have had that right in her 30plus years.
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[info]miladygrey wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 11:28 am (UTC)
*laughs* I'm Lara. My parents were under the influence of "Dr. Zhivago" when they picked it out. I don't mind, I like having an original name, and it beat being one of the zillion Stephanies or whatnot. My main quibble is that until the advent of Lara Croft, nobody believed me when I told them my name--people were always helpfully inserting a 'u', even one of my middle school teachers. Nothing adds to 7th-grade angst like being told by a teacher than you spelled your name wrong.
[info]dust_rat wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:00 pm (UTC)
Sweden (where I'm located) have always had a very strict policy of what kind of names they accept as your official name (in registers and so on). Last year (I think it was) the government easied that up a bit so now some kids get really weird names (and funny, and interesting).

My name (Mikael) is quite common here and is usualyy shortened to Micke, but I allow myself to ignore people when they call me that. When people feel offended by that I just point out that we are two with the same name at the department and I just thought they was speaking to/refering to/whatever to the other guy (who wants to be called Micke).

The crisis is in another project where we are three Mikael who wants to be called the full name. Yesterday there was a meeting I couldn't attend to and the other Mikael said it was very confusing because noone was really sure which Mikael who had said something and should do what and so on. And noone wanted to be inpolite and ask which one of us three they was referring to .... the minutias from that meeting will be very interesting read...


BTW you (or at least the photo on the homepage) is a really lookalike to one of my former colleges, just so you know if someone claims to seen you in sweden.
[info]thegreatmissjj wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)
My name is Sarah, although no one has called me that for at least 5 years. I go by "JJ" because my last name is Jae-Jones (yes, it is hyphenated and yes, it is a LAST NAME. Not a "middle + surname" or "first name + second name" combination. I have a separate middle name, thank you.). I also hated how common "Sarah" was as a name and the final straw was freshman year of college, when I was roomed with ANOTHER Sarah. (We actually became great friends right away, but mostly because she started going by Eliza and I started going by JJ.)

I too love names. I spent hours agonizing over the names of my characters, how they sound, how it can convey (subtly) their ethnic/social/cultural background, that it's common but not uncommon, etc.
[info]tmthomas wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:21 pm (UTC)
My first name is my mom's maiden name. I like the tie to both families. Unfortunately, I have names that could be first or last names, which has led to a lifetime of confusion.

Also, my entire life, completely unrelated people in completely unrelated places have called me "Scott." I do not know why. I apparently look like a Scott.

But that's better than my parents' other choice, which was "Luke"...which fortunately I didn't end up with, considering that whole Star Wars thing a couple of years later.
[info]uberreiniger wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
I love names too and it affects my writing the same way. All my main characters have to be named just right. And like you've I've never met anyone as interested in the meaning of names as I am. Thank you for posting these sites!
[info]sunless_down wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:37 pm (UTC)
1.) What if you're not going to college?
2.) I'm interested in names but I'm usually satisfied with just the meaning. I've always seemed to have a baby name book on hand but seeing as how our school had a high rate of teenage pregnancy, I keep them at home. (I didn't want people wispering about me-not that I care what they think. Even if I never showed signs of being preg' they would just assume abortion). I even have a baby name website under favorites. I had no idea there were name crazy people out there in the world.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:51 pm (UTC)
My daughter was due on Christmas day and I swore that I would NOT give her a Christmas name like Holly, Carol, Merry, etc. But when she was born (3 days after Christmas) and she just wasn't any on the names we had picked out (Laura, Emily, Jackie, etc.) and ended up naming her Natalya. She was 2 weeks old before I got around to looking up what it meant. Imagine my horror when I found out it meant born at Christmas-time.
Then my second daughter is named Cherith (pronounced like Cherish but a th at the end) and we can't find out what it means. The few things we found say it means brook or stream from 2 Kings, but I really doubt they named a stream, stream. But there is a name Cheritha (pronounded Sha-wreath-a) in hindu that means pure; so who knows. Sounds a bit more likely though.
My only fear is if we have another child what do we name them? They will feel left out if we name them Sarah or John.
[info]evaleastaristev wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:59 pm (UTC)
I know your pain when it comes to names. Imagine all the ways Elspeth can be butchered. I've heard them all. For twenty-three years. And my last name isn't any better.

But I've noticed in my writing that it has caused my characters to have rather odd names as well, but go by simple nick names (I'm Ellie or El to most of my friends, just for simplicity's sake).

And on a writing note....those links couldn't come at a better time. I'm just starting my notes and research for my NaNoWriMo Novel.
[info]mela_lyn wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 01:59 pm (UTC)
You're an Elspeth? You're the second since my sister named her daughter that. My grandma always says 'Elsbeth' and told my sister it was a stupid name b/c you could spell it. 'Whatever, Philomena.' :) I think it's a LOVELY name!
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[info]rainmerlot wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 01:26 pm (UTC)
My father is named Richard - and he hated it, he was called Dick, Rick, Rich, Richie - etc.... so when my brother and I came along he told my mom that he did not want us to have names that could be shortened at all. So I'm Wendy and my brother is Jason - (little did he know that Jason got shortened to Jase, and Jay) I have always liked my name....although in high school there was one other Wendy who was really popular, she was always very nice to me (even though I didn't hang with the popular crowd) but I always knew when someone said Wendy, the didn't usually mean me. It was always the other Wendy. But now that I'm older I don't run into many Wendys. I named my children Cory (which was very popular 18 years ago) and unfortunately my son had to endure 5 or 6 Corys in his class. And I named my youngest son Jamie Dean - which people seem to like, and it goes well together, because people seem to attribute it to James Dean - although that's not why I did it. I totally understand your fascination with names. :-)
[info]sadieloree wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
My uncle and the neighbor boy were boy of similar age and named Richard. My uncle apparently got dibs on Ricky as a nickname and the other got Dicky. Yup, Ricky and Dicky were best friends. Ick.
[info]mela_lyn wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 01:56 pm (UTC)
I LOVE names! I have links of baby name 'dictionaries' and such. I'll have to email them to you. I keep all kinds of lists... what my family's names mean, possible names for kids (I AM trying to have one), possible names for characters, good names for pets... How awesome!

My only complaint is that I couldn't get the Name Voyager to work, but this is my work computer so I'll have to play with it more at home. I'm curious how Melissa looks on the chart since when I went to high school, I had a class with 7 just in my graduating year... and there were more!! Our teacher had to call us by last name. :)

And Melissa is Greek too. Means 'Busy little honey bee' and was taken from a Greek Princess that Zeus fell in love with (of course) and she loved flowers. After he slept with her, he made her into a bee so she could always be with her flowers. I still don't know if she was jipped or not. :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
My name's Kelley, though in 3rd grade this mother insisted that it was in fact pronounced 'Key-lee'. I've also grown quite used to it being putchered on many occasions. But I get what you mean. My best friend and I were in 7th grade and looking at 'baby name books' and everyone at the library was giving us the dirtest look.
[info]goonie_freak wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 02:14 pm (UTC)
My name is Janell, with NO "E" on the end yet all my life no matter how I spell it out for them, when people start looping the ell they go nuts and add that extra e.

AND when I answer the phone of tell my name I get "Hi Jill/Michelle/Chanel"...

Or people say it like its french... :0( I hate my name anyway... its really ugly sounding and mostly I just go by Janey.
[info]ikona_rakasha wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 02:18 pm (UTC)
My cousin is named Rifel Peace Zammataz.

They say it like Ro-fell. I am still amused and the poor kid is only 5.


[info]nynomi wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 06:13 pm (UTC)
Good god, that's awful. What were they thinking???
[info]sadieloree wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 02:40 pm (UTC)
I'm a big name dork too. But not a writer. I am simply fascinated by looking them up. I drove my hubby nuts when naming our children. I managed to get an Elspeth Lily and a Wyatt Eoin from the poor man. But I had lists and lists of choices for him. He looked at me and told me to narrow it down to ten and then he might be able to choose. In the end, the only name he picked was Wyatt. lol
[info]jaded_britt wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
Unfortunate and fortunate all in one. My name is Brittnie. It was awesome to be a Brittnie when I was in 6th and 7th grade (private school) when Britney Spears was really popular, even more so because my last name is Saunders, making her and I have the same initials. But when I got in 8th grade and higher (public school), it sucked because everyone had my name. There were, I kid you not, 5 Brittney's including me, all spelled differently in my English class alone. And never mind anyone ever spelling mine even a fraction close to how it's supposed to be spelled, not even my teachers could do it. Now that I'm older, I appreciate how different mine is spelled now and I get compliments on it all of the time. I feel sorry for my niece, though, because her name is Santina Hernandez and she regularly gets called Santana and there is a good chance of it being butchered worse in the future, considering she's only 8 now. My sister went through worse things I'm sure, because her name is Marsha and she was young when The Brady Bunch was still a craze. I was always hearing people say "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha" whenever she was around.
[info]wild_patience wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
I've always had a mild fascination with this, particularly the meaning of names. When I was a kid, the dictionary we had in the house had a names thing at the back with the meaning of names.

Since my baptismal name is Bernadette Cecile and Bernadette means "brave as a bear" while Cecile means "blind," I figure that makes me brave as a blind bear.

Now that I'm older, I've noticed names that were common and aren't any more. When I was in elementary school, it seems like every classroom had a couple of Debbies and Karens and Susans and Cynthias. Now, not so much. Names that were out of fashion when I was a kid, like Emily and Sarah, have made a big come back.

But still, no one names their kid Bernadette unless they're Catholic. (And Seth used to be common only among Jews. I was surprised the first time someone at work named their baby Seth and they weren't Jewish.)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
Rules for Names
I like the president-prostitute rule, which reminds me of a blog entry I read not long ago about baby naming rules: http://mormonhusbands.blogspot.com/2008/03/baby-naming-manifest-verison-10.html
Definitely good for a laugh! =)
[info]featherquill wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
I am such a huge name geek. When I was little, I thought it was weird. Until my brilliant, supportive, loving mother bought me bunch of books by Madeleine L'Engle. You know.. "A Wrinkle in Time" "A Wind in the Door" .. those ones. If you've read them, then you know that the book is about a little girl named Meg Murry, who is (of all things) a "namer". It's a very important job, miss Richelle.

Of course, I think it's completely awesome that somebody else is enough of a name geek to even bring it up.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
Agreed
I'm the same way! I loved reading her books growing up and was fascinated by the unique names in some of them. I must admit that I'm particularly interested in names now that my daughter is about to be born (Lucille Ada), but I've been looking up the meaning of names ever since I started playing computer games. I would go to great lengths to find just the right name for my warrior characters. :-)
Christina
[info]twin_trauma wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 04:41 pm (UTC)
I don't take off points for spelling
Krystn. No "real" vowels. Thanks, Mom. Mom says she saw the name in the Weddings section of the Detroit Free Press and liked. So if you know any Krystn's who were married in Michigan in 1967, I'm probably named after them. Of course, I tease her that is was probably a typo. I have found another Krystn out there, but she is way too young to be the person I'm named after. People are always misspelling and I usually don't mind. You ought to see my last name! I do however still harass my lovely mother for the time she misspelled it in her annual Christmas letter. She says it was her secretary's fault; but, come on, MOM!
[info]twin_trauma wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
Re: I don't take off points for spelling
And since that post if full of typos, I guess I have no room to complain. ;)
[info]m_stiefvater wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
Brat! Now I'm going to be stuck on that first site. I'm a name geek too.

Here's my fun name story: I was not originally Maggie Stiefvater. My last name is my married name, and my first is one I picked out for myself. I disliked my original name intensely as I got into my teen years, feeling more and more like it didn't represent me, until finally my parents let me legally change it to Margaret when I was 16. Because Maggie was what I felt like. And I still do. I've never regretted it!
[info]nynomi wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
I have been a name geek since I was five years old. I insisted on taking possession of my mother's copy of What to Name the Baby by Evelyn Wells. As I later learned it is a rather execrable source full of false etymologies. Actually better than many that came after it, though.

Maybe my fascination with names comes from having an odd one (not odd in Russia but I haven't got a particle of Russian blood in me that I know of), Kira. I've been called "KYE-ra" and Kara, and more recently (now that I have a coworker named Kari) I occasionally get called Kari.

I can always tell when writers and mommies have been reading The New Age Baby Name Book. There are just some names I've never run across in any other name book... oh I don't know, Kotha, Nokomis (well OK that was in Longfellow but not in any baby name book), Miakoda...

My husband is also a name geek but he is very strict about what names he does and does not approve of. None of these new-fangled names for him. It's got to have been in a 15th century parish register or it's out. He'll occasionally grudgingly accept names that originated as recently as the 19th century. ("Accept" as in admit that he likes them - we're not planning on having any offspring.) He particularly dislikes names of "dirty jobs" being used for kids these days - like Tanner. Give me a break, you do not want your son to smell like a tanner!

Thanks for the links.

Edited at 2008-09-19 06:23 pm (UTC)
[info]btifulnightmare wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 07:34 pm (UTC)
My name is Joella. My mother put my grandparents names together and came up with this.

I like names too. Not enough to call it a hobby, but I made a list a while back that's 4 pages long, of all my favorite names. I love playing The Sims 2, so when I make families and stuff, the names list comes in handy.

BTW, I love the name Richelle. One of my favorites. =)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 07:52 pm (UTC)
OMG
Lol, Richelle. I think you and I held this hobby in secret from one another. I use to spend hours as a youngster looking through the baby naming books my parents had from when I was born. This book listed the names and the meanings. I remember at fairs or in the mall kiosks the create your name meaning papers (I got mine, and did it for my best friends, and their parents). I think maybe secrectively I was trying to find a name I would change mine to in the future as I hated my name, I still cringe, just a bit, at the use of my full name.

Oh we will have to talk next time I am down to hang out with you!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 19th, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
OMG
Lol, Richelle. I think you and I held this hobby in secret from one another. I use to spend hours as a youngster looking through the baby naming books my parents had from when I was born. This book listed the names and the meanings. I remember at fairs or in the mall kiosks the create your name meaning papers (I got mine, and did it for my best friends, and their parents). I think maybe secrectively I was trying to find a name I would change mine to in the future as I hated my name, I still cringe, just a bit, at the use of my full name.

Oh we will have to talk next time I am down to hang out with you!

Penny
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